“Your inner doctor or third opinion comes from empowering patients to understand their bodies.” - Dr. Barbara de la Torre

What if your doctor focused on YOU instead of churning through patients? Dr. Barbara offers a personalized approach to transform your health.

In this captivating episode we dive into an enlightening conversation with client, Barbara de la Torre, a physician, artist, and health strategist who is empowering individuals to tap into their inner doctor. She’s on a mission to revolutionize patient’s healthcare experience. As a western medicine physician, Dr. Barbara de la Torre  brings a unique perspective that challenges the traditional notions of healthcare and fosters a holistic, self-empowering approach to wellness.

Discover the secrets behind Barbara's decision to work with Laurie-Ann Murabito, how her voice was rediscovered through their collaboration, and how repurposing content can be the key to unlocking the potential of your message.

Check out what you’ll learn:

• Understand the critical distinction between the work of doctors and health consultants, and Dr. de la Torre’s purpose is to empower more people with their health.

• The importance of listening to your body and taking responsibility for your well-being, even in a healthcare system that often discourages self-advocacy.

• How Barbara infuses creativity and humor into her presentations, captivating audiences and bringing a breath of fresh air to medical discussions.

• The transformative power of repurposing content, from podcast episodes to show notes, and making your message accessible across different platforms.

• The unexpected journey of self-discovery and personal growth that Dr. Barbara de la Torre experienced through ther work with Laurie-Ann.

Links for our Guest:

• Website: https://thirdopinionmd.org/ 

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thirdopinionmd/ 

Resources mentioned in this episode:

• Learn more about IN Demand Signature Speech TODAY!

• Grab the FREE resource Go from Unknown to Visible.

• Grab the FREE resource Take the Stage

• Follow me on Instagram: @laurieann.murabito

• For more about me and what I do, check out my website.

• If you’re looking for support to grow your business faster, be positioned as an authority in your industry, and impact the masses, schedule a call to explore if you’d be a good fit for one of my coaching programs.

Transcript:

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:00:17]:

Welcome back to another episode of Be In Demand, and I have a very special guest. She's a private client mine. We worked together for, gosh, a little over a year, and you have just done some amazing, Amazing things. But before we get into all of that, why don't you introduce yourself, please?

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:00:38]:

Alright. My name is Barbara De La Torre and I'm a I would describe myself actually as a physician, an artist, a health strategist. And I've been combining my whole journey to do what I'm doing now, which is consulting for people, taking the doctor out of the equation, and being a creative physician.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:00:59]:

Being a creative physician. That's what health care needs a little bit more of. And we've had a lot of conversations about this. Can you just dive a little bit into because I really want people to get a sense of your background.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:01:12]:

Well, I I think the journey it it someone had told me this. I think it was and maybe it was even just in the last week where it me that long to to figure out that, oh, yeah. You were made this way. I grew up in different cultures. I'm not I was born in Argentina. My Past the past generations have come from other countries, so I have that background, multiple languages. I came from a background of visual arts. That was my first career.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:01:40]:

And my mother was a physician, so I couldn't take the doctor out of the blood. And so I became a physician. And it was reluctant Because I wanted to be creative. And so I studied Chinese medicine as well as family medicine And a movement based therapy called Qigong. So putting it all together, this is who I am today. And as a result of that, I realized I'm a systems thinker

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:02:05]:

Mhmm.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:02:06]:

Which fits makes it all fit Yeah. Together.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:02:10]:

Yeah. It's yeah. Oh, yes. Definitely. I I love the way that you think. And, you know, to learn a little bit more about how doctor Barbara Dela Torre thinks, You can definitely go listen to season 3 of her podcast, which is one that she is quite proud of, and so am I. I'm just I'm loving it. And, like, it it's only just started, but by the time that this episode actually comes out, the season will probably be finished.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:02:37]:

But it really is A piece of work, a piece of art from from you. So let's let's kinda go back to before you started working with me. Before you reached out to me, you know, where was your business?

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:02:54]:

Okay. So this is BLA. Before Laurieann?

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:02:57]:

Before BLA.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:02:59]:

A very clear distinction. So before before I started working with you, I had actually been through 2 types of coaching. So you were the 3rd coach that I've worked with. And all were great. It I just make the distinction that at the Time I was I was about to start working with you, I had reached a wall. And that sometimes happens where it's not a failure when you're working with someone and Time to move on because I was changing. And I thought originally I was going to work 1 on 1 with individual clients from the very beginning. I I was working in corporate medicine and then I took about a year to work on a podcast.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:03:39]:

Actually, I think it was last year. I just started the podcast. Now I'm actually remembering it. And it been into just the beginning of season 2. And I My coach that I was working with dropped me like a hot potato. So that I have to disclose Because that's exactly how I found you. The way I found you was not the way you would think. You know, where you marketed and I was on that marketing, The end of that marketing.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:04:09]:

No. It was actually the universe. I'm gonna call it the universe because I was working with A coach who was helping me with producing a podcast, like, learning how to do that. And I was picking it up so quickly that I was learning to do a lot of stuff on my own. And once Once she realized and she had mentioned to me. She says, do you need me for anything? And I said, well, I do, but I I I like the work. I like the production. And so next thing I know, I got an email saying, You're no longer really an ideal client for me.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:04:43]:

Like, it was kind of like a Dear John letter. And Oh. There wasn't even a conversation. And I think as a result of not having any time to really think or prepare to transition, that's how I found you. I started searching on something called, remind me of this one, Laurieann. It's the podcast where you look up different

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:05:05]:

Listen notes.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:05:06]:

Listen notes. Exactly. I was looking at listen notes to look for where I could be a guest on a show since I was producing my podcast. And I found yours. And unbeknownst to you, I actually only listened to about 5 minutes of your podcast of 1 episode. That was it. And then I realized, oh my god, I have to talk to her. It was how you sounded, how you came across.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:05:32]:

And I just thought I'd I'd take a chance because I was looking for something different. I wanted to do more than just produce a podcast. I wanted to get out into the world In some way. And I had spoken before, but I saw that you had that that niche that you could help people with speaking, with marketing, with business, and it just seemed like a great combination.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:05:54]:

Wonderful. So Where would you say your business was? You had a podcast? Were there you know, like, were you Actively speaking, working with clients. You were you were sort of like in a if I remember correctly, like, in this Area of limbo.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:06:11]:

It was definitely an area of limbo. I had started off the ground with, you know, I hit the ground running with Working with a couple of individual clients and then everything stopped because I was working on focusing on the podcast and the promotion aspect of the podcast. And that was what my former coach was telling me, that she could market and that we could work on this. I was going about it the the wrong way, as it turns out. And I learned that from you. Because when I then I just started to see more people listening And less people engaging and working with me. And I just thought, what is going on? And and I had to do something about that. And that's why I wanted to talk to you because you had a business strategy and you had the experience.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:06:55]:

Yeah. And I re and I remember our our, initial conversation. Oh, you do? Oh, yeah. I do. I remember the the questionnaire. Like, you just were so thoughtful in your answers. And, like, I immediately was like, wow. I like, this woman has something so special to share with the world, And more people need to hear her message.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:07:19]:

And I do remember, like, I made you an offer, and you were like, I just need to think about it. And you went to play golf. You were like, I will tell you. I will email you by tomorrow. But I think you did, like, after yeah. You're going to play, some golf. And true to your word, you were like, yep. Send send me everything.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:07:38]:

We're let's let's move forward.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:07:40]:

I think that was the last time I played golf too. I'm not

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:07:44]:

kidding. Because you're hopefully busy. You kept busy. Yes. And now now you're getting busier, but you definitely need to I hope that you guys have better weather out there this fall to play some golf.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:07:59]:

Yeah.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:07:59]:

Lord knows out here, it's, we've had a lot of rain. So, you know, What made you say yes? Do you remember? Because I know it was a while ago.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:08:13]:

I remember it maybe it was I I do remember keeping my word. That was the one thing I did, Which I I tend to do. But I I remember

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:08:23]:

And I was very impressed with that. That was also, like, another, like, alright. That's a good sign too. Yeah.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:08:30]:

Yeah. I I thought the timing I'm the kind of person that it had ever since I've gone more with the flow in life that There aren't there's no such thing as accidents. And you can call them happy accidents, you know, according to some people. But I would say that It was your personality, for 1, your positive attitude, your approachability, your encouragement. But also you had this container of, look, we've got a plan here. This is what we're gonna do in the next 6 months. And you really laid it out really well. I remember that.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:09:07]:

Because I had 2 other coaches before and they would lay out plans, but this one Definitely just resonated with what I needed at that moment when we started working together. That's what made me say yes.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:09:22]:

And a lot of times, I feel like in the coaching space, you know, a lot of people just wait for, like, well, whatever the client brings to the call. And for the most part, like, I will do that. But I also let people know, like, if you don't know what you wanna work on, like, I always have. I've always got a plan because I keep those goals. Like, where are we headed? And I always wanna make sure that we are moving in that direction, you know, so that procrastination doesn't get in the way. You know, like, sometimes, you know, something hard comes up. So it's like, well, maybe I'll just not mention this hard thing anymore so that we can move in a different direction. And again, like, I just like, I I try to keep eyes on the target.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:10:06]:

And I I remember also, I went I I shared with you everything, but not everything at the time I started working with you. I shared with you that I had a recent, you know, drop in coaching and needed to fill in that void, but also Just how I wasn't feeling great at the time. And I think that was I just couldn't communicate that because I wanted to just, You know what I'm saying? Let's just work on the coaching. But there was so much involved in that moment that I just knew I was either gonna move forward to work with you or I was gonna stop. There was just there was no choice. I always wanted to move forward. So Yeah. There was no other way.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:10:48]:

It was either keep going And find someone who has more clarity of what I want to do. Because there's different coaching there's different kinds of coaching. I mean, you say the word coach. I mean right? Yes. Yes. It it's it's ubiquitous and it's overused and it's loaded term. You're doing more than coaching. You've got you bring that skill that's authentic, but you also have this experience that I I knew just from listening to the podcast, reading your website, but just talking to you, you had the experience.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:11:21]:

That was important to me that someone could walk the walk and and guide me in that way because it and you could steer me in that way. And I was actually more impressed with the 2nd 6 months.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:11:34]:

Really? Say more about that. Oh, yeah. And and I also consider myself to be, like I I call myself like a coach consultant because I I think as I had shared with you at one point, you know, you're gonna ask me a question. Like, coaching is asking questions so that the client can come up with the answer for themselves. But there's stuff like, you'll come to me and say, well, what do I ask in a pre event meeting. Well, I'm not gonna ask you questions. I'm just gonna like, this is where the consultant in me or the strategist comes out. And, like, I just wanna tell you what the answer is because that's why you hired me.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:12:07]:

Yeah. And there's only 30 minutes before the talk.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:12:10]:

Right. I know. I

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:12:13]:

was like Right. The Voxer this, you know, messaging app. I love that one, by the way. And it it the 2nd 6 months was building it's exactly the and you've you've fulfilled your promise. You said, work with me another 6 months because I wasn't sure if I could afford to work with you. That's a big objection that people have and it's a it's a valid one. But I was investing in myself at the same time. I had also shared with you I finally shared with you why I was so hesitant because I felt Like I was burned the last time.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:12:46]:

Right. And I needed this to really stick. I was running out of time. I had saved money to build this business Going from a very stable career to suddenly just I mean, completely taking a 360 in my career. And I remember that you said, this is what we're gonna work on. It's not the same as the last 6 months. That was important to me because I was different. I had learned And to just repeat, press repeat wasn't enough for me.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:13:16]:

So you did more. And you did exactly what we talked about, which was the marketing piece.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:13:21]:

Yeah. And

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:13:22]:

you're just starting to make money. That was actually really important to me.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:13:25]:

Yes. Well, it should be. You're in business. And you're and you're doing really, really well now. And it's almost like you found your place, and you were like, this is what I was meant to be doing, and we can we'll we'll we'll dive into that. Actually well, yeah. Just share with people, like, what you're doing now.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:13:47]:

I am instead of being a typical doctor, which I have had Over 20 years of experience doing this in both Chinese medicine and western medicine. Instead of just bringing someone in a room or telling people, You know, counseling people as a physician or consulting with them. I wanted to take the doctor out of the equation. And I wanted people to tap into their own inner doctor. And really the state of the way the health care system is is what led to this. For years, I've been watching and 2nd generation. My mother was a physician too. For generations, I've been watching that we are losing our grip on good health care.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:14:30]:

We've not had it for many years. It's getting worse. COVID didn't cause it. And you can take that out because I know you can't put COVID in there.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:14:42]:

We'll go beep. Beep.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:14:45]:

Well, let's just say this. I'll reframe. We know that health care has not worked for a long time. And sometimes when the health care system gets taxed, like when a lot of people are getting sick at the same time, say in the last 3 years. It's just revealing the flaws that were already there. The cracks in the wall were there. Yeah. That's a good way to put it.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:15:10]:

And and I really believe firmly as someone who's been in the system for many years and tried even in leadership to change the system That you cannot change the system without changing the fundamental the lowest of the higher the the lowest hierarchy in

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:15:28]:

the whole system. It's built on many. Right?

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:15:28]:

So if you think of individuals as the lowest level Mhmm. Every system in order to be really great has to serve the lowest level. If it doesn't serve the lowest level, it's not a good system.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:15:44]:

And this this is your systems coming out.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:15:47]:

Yeah. Yeah. I can't help it. I can't help it. Yeah. Yeah. And what I mean by the system just for For your audience, what a a complex system can be a person, a tree, a organization, a government, at hospital. But the what makes a system is you have these elements and then they interact with each other and they achieve a goal or something.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:16:10]:

That's all it is. And if you don't have a system serving the lowest level, like, let's say, our body is not serving our organs in the right way. We're not treating our organs well. We're not gonna be well. If we don't serve people in the best way by teaching them to be the best they can be and their own doctors. You're not doing good health care. So

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:16:34]:

then that's Yeah. And And, I guess, what what I wanna make sure that people understand is, like, you go to your doctor and they have hundreds a patient. So they probably see in a week, and that's very different from what you're doing because you only work with 1 or 2 people At a time. And for

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:16:56]:

or a small yeah. 1 to 2 people a month individually. And I offer different services for that. But I also teach occasionally will teach classes. I give professional speeches. Thanks to you. I'm doing better at negotiating at that. And it it's just such a different experience to have lots more time to work with someone, to lay everything on the table that has to do with their health.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:17:22]:

And it's not just lab tests. It's not just, you know, an x-ray or a report or a diagnosis. It's who they are. It's where they come from, what foods they eat, the people they're around. It's everything because we can't You can't separate from your environment. But I don't get that chance as a physician in a hospital to do that. And these poor guys, these guys and gals, these People. These doctors are not able to do what they really wanna do.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:17:54]:

And most people go into medicine because they wanna help people. I'm serious. It's not a cliche. It's the real deal. By the time they get out of their medical training, they're already burned out. Yeah.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:18:06]:

I mean, from my time, you know, in med in health care, I I agree. They go into medicine because they want to be caretakers and they wanna help heal people. And then they yeah. You're right. Like, they get burnt out, then they realize, oh, it's not me who say it's insurance companies. It's all this red tape that's And, unfortunately and that's what you're trying to teach people. It's like, listen to your intuition. Listen to your body.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:18:33]:

Listen to your body. And what's I even wrote this. Can I share what I wrote in my show notes for today's Yes? Yes. Okay. Which will not be today by the time this airs. But in in season 3 episode 2, I'm gonna read It's a passage from an ancient classic in Chinese medicine where they talked about ancient physicians were talking about people back then. So in their time, it was way back then. So if you they said that they understood the principle people understood the principle of balance as represented by transformation of the energetics of the universe or nature.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:19:12]:

So they did exercises. They would eat a balanced diet. They would Wake up and go to bed at regular hours. They would avoid over stressing their bodies and minds. And they would refrain from over indulgence. And I'm gonna tell you, like, who does that? Nobody does that. Nobody does that. And and because we're not paying attention to the thing the elephant in the room, which is you.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:19:39]:

If you don't take care of you, No one else will do it as good of a job. Nobody.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:19:44]:

100%. 100%. We can't be relying on other people. It's nobody's job to take care of me except me.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:19:52]:

No. You should never be a burden on anyone, period. That's the bottom line. And it's very difficult for for for people to even say that. Doctors are afraid of saying that for fear of being reprimanded because our system is in the in in in a setting where it's supposed to be passive aggressive and we're supposed to serve you up something so that we can keep serving you up and keep making money serving you this. Yes. Well, there's not enough doctors to do that. And I, as an artist and a physician, I think there's always another way to do it.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:20:29]:

And as a systems thinker, you can step outside the little convenient box we have. And this is why I stepped into this business of consulting, but also creating, so it doesn't stop. You know, I can still be an artist doing this. Oh, let's talk about

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:20:44]:

yeah. Let's definitely talk about you being the artist. Again, somebody who came from health care, and I have attended many conferences, grand rounds, You know? Because I had to maintain my own credits, for my own license. And as a speaker, I was just like, when I start we started working together, And you would, like, show me your reason. This is what I have so far. I'd be like, who are you? Like, you're you're not a doctor.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:21:12]:

Do you remember when you told me you said, you're funny. You're actually funny. I mean, I was just

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:21:19]:

I couldn't believe I was like, wait a minute.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:21:21]:

I I guess I I remember you were you had something in your, it's your signature in demand speech course where you talk about humor, But we haven't gone over that yet. And so then when I shared with you that I you know, for example, I wanted to do a detective cold case file. Yes. And this was about a medical doctor in history. It was a history lecture, and I was just saying, we're gonna be true detectives here. We're gonna do this. And so you liked it, which was great. You know?

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:21:48]:

It was It was fantastic. Yeah. You are deaf you definitely can see the artist in you and, like, how how you bring your creativity into a presentation. I remember, yeah, that 1st presentation that we were putting together, the history one. I was just like you know? And when you think about, like, You're gonna talk about medical history. I mean Yeah. Let's just let me in, like you know? It's if that can be a dry topic, but you make it you sprinkle it with so much humor. And, also, it's just like it's so interesting.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:22:21]:

Like, you just have a theme to it, like the detective. And I was just like, who would like this is not the like, you were gonna blow the socks off all of the doctors that are in the audience because This is not you're not your regular medical speaker.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:22:39]:

Isn't that a relief?

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:22:41]:

It is. Well, Yes. Because then people pay attention. You know? Because you just yeah. You maintained their attention. And, yes, I think that Funny was about, the chicken dinner. When I I mean, that that was the one thing that I heard it I I mean, I heard it so many times As you were practicing and you sent me you know, like, here's the video for me from, you know, like, the presentation because I'll review that and watch And every time you brought up that chicken joke, I still laughed. Yeah.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:23:10]:

You can't. Though I I knew it was there every single time. Even now. Yes. Because you are just a breath of fresh air. And One of the things that I believe with speaking is that you have to have your personality in there. Like, your people in your audience should be able to like, if you gave them a quiz, like, list 3 things about the speaker that they should be able to, like, figure that. Like, humor, creativity.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:23:39]:

You know? And, you know, you're passionate about people leaving with information and using that information, You were just getting a CME.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:23:50]:

That's right. And and I think well, one of the things I love about working with you is that You were able to help me bring that back out because that's something that got squashed I mean, really crushed. Working in the health care system, it's not okay to be a creative person. It's not okay to be different. And I'm talking about the status quo. So part of our work together, honestly, was it was in crafting a good speech and you've you've got skills. I gotta say, you got really good skills.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:24:23]:

Thank you.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:24:25]:

You should do this more often. But you really gave me my voice back. Mhmm. So it wasn't you know, I I'm I'm was speaking before, and a lot of people who start to work with you, have various levels of speaking before they work with you. Mhmm. You you're doing that's where that nuance is, that art is that you do where you were finding out what was holding me back from being the best speaker I could be. And and think that's part of what we worked on.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:24:58]:

And just that just

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:24:59]:

think with the context. You know?

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:25:01]:

Yeah. That that just makes my heart sing because Everybody does have everybody has a story whether they realize it or not, and everybody has a voice. And to hear you say you know, like, You were like during our work together, it brought more of your voice out that it had probably been, you know, quieted down, you know, silenced while you were in health care, and you just have come out and just I'm I've I'm can't sit quiet about this anymore, and you're just helping, like, You're like you're by by working with, like, a couple of clients at a time because, you know, for anybody who's listening to this,

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:25:48]:

A lot. I'm all I'm all in. Like, that's it I mean, I I actually just started you'd You'd be proud of me. Just yesterday, we talked about this where you said good for you to kinda offer some other tier services. So I just am about to have a contract signed where a client's gonna work with me on a lower tier service but still 1 on 1. Not that all in, but showing up, you know, and working from meeting to meeting. More like coaching, but something where it fits and resonates with her. But what you're talking about, the 1 to 2, Man, it's it's all in.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:26:24]:

I get a lot of information from people, and I have to assimilate all of that. Put it all together where it's meaningful. I don't wanna do a bad job.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:26:33]:

No. No. And you can tell because you've been doing this for a few months now, and, like, your clients are referring other people. I mean, it's gonna this is the way that you wanted to grow your business was by word-of-mouth, and you can see it. I mean, it's gonna it's not gonna be long that you're gonna have a waiting list. People that are gonna be willing to wait, you know, 3 to 4 to 5 months just so that they can work with you because of the results that they're gonna see other people having, which, by the way, Little plug for her podcast. Yeah. Definitely listen to season 3, and you you'll be able to experience what it's like to be basically a fly on the wall, you know, watching her work and just or hearing it.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:27:18]:

You can either you can can you watch your your podcast?

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:27:21]:

I'm actually gonna make that available on on my YouTube channel, which is Third Opinion MD. Instagram is Third Opinion MD. The the website is third opinion m d.org. I mean, it's pretty easy to remember once you get the hang of one of them.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:27:36]:

Yes. And all of that's gonna be in our show notes so that people can definitely click on and go listen to this particular season and definitely follow you and learn a little more information. But was there any like, is there any like, this was the best part of working together.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:27:54]:

Oh, that's tough. That's like you asked me what's my favorite movie.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:28:01]:

Which I've asked.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:28:02]:

Which you've already asked. Yeah. Yeah. At some point. Then I've I think the best part There is no best part. It the best part is being able to work with you, period. Mhmm. It's not just, oh, it's because you do this or that.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:28:17]:

You show up where I'm at. You're meeting me where I'm at. I've noticed that. And I when I was Working on sort of reflecting on how we work together in this 1st 6 months and the 2nd 6 months. It's just been growing. It's like a really growing collaboration. And I don't And the adaptability I think is the other thing. Because I was running into as it happens with any entrepreneur, though it doesn't feel like it when you're the entrepreneur, you think everyone else is Successful.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:28:50]:

Mhmm. I'm sitting here thinking, you know, imposter syndrome, which you have to Tamp down every once in a while, like, daily. But, you know, when you it it's getting better. For me, it's getting better and faster to do that. And I don't even have some days with that anymore. That's a big change. Yeah. And I just remember, you know, if something didn't work And then I would try something else.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:29:14]:

You were right there. That's my favorite part. I think it's the ability to be there where I'm at. Mhmm.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:29:22]:

Thank you

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:29:22]:

for being with you. It's delightful.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:29:24]:

And I know that you mentioned earlier about the Voxer. Did you enjoy, you know, in Voxer, I use, you know, for anybody who's listening, just a point of communication in between our sessions.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:29:37]:

Yeah. That was totally fun. I one of one of the reasons why I liked it, and I actually use it with my clients now, is that It could be a separate messaging app where I'm not distracted by everybody else messaging me. So the only thing I use Voxer for is business. That's it. Yep. And and because and also you can leave walkie talkie messages even with a free account. It just does you just don't keep your messages for more than, I think, 30 days.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:30:06]:

Yeah. Something like that. I got a pro account because I gotta hear you again sometimes. I have hear you. Sometimes you have a lot of good advice in one one audio walkie talkie recording. Yes. Once I hear that. So, yeah, I have a pro account.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:30:20]:

I have no regrets. I love it. And that way I can go back, take notes.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:30:25]:

It's like the best, I think, what, $20 or something. I can't remember if it's 20 or $40. I don't remember, but I think it's such a great investment. And I do. I I want clients to have access to. If you're one of my private clients, you should be able to, like you don't have to send an email and get lost in the email's inbox. It's like, come directly to me, and I love the being able to talk because you got to practice some of your So the different parts of your presentation.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:30:54]:

I got to practice my presentation. I got to leave you messages of, like, serious self doubt. I got to, you know, share wins that I had and and celebrations. I got to recall a message and say, I can't talk yet. You know? I mean, there's just the neat thing about Voxer is that it it's versatile and it feels more connected Yes. Than a typical message. So I really appreciate that. That was that was a cool feature to work with.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:31:21]:

Good. I'm glad that you enjoyed that. And what if somebody, like, asked you, like, hey. What do you think about working with Lorian? Like, what's that little piece of advice that you would say to them?

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:31:33]:

Start packing your stuff because you're gonna get going. I mean, that's what I would say. You have a lot of energy. And once they find out you were may I share once they find out you were a fitness instructor, I'd like you better pack your bags. Like, this is it's gonna be a ride and a good one. This investment, that's the thing. It it's important that people invest in themselves. And I consider working with you a 100% doing that.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:32:03]:

Wonderful. Thank you. It has been such a joy actually working with you. I've just seen you just blossom. You know? You show up with so much more confidence now than just like you said, like, that 1st 6 months that we worked together.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:32:19]:

Yeah. You know,

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:32:20]:

like, you You know, it was just like, hey. I got the speech. I got you know, I wanna speak speak more. And you just I feel like from Our 1st 6 months through our 2nd 6 months, you just you found your calling. Like, you just found, like, this is how I wanna serve people. You know, more classes, is more programs, more speaking, and now you know how to craft an unbelievable speech and negotiate.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:32:46]:

Not have to reinvent it every time? That was the other thing. You're I will never forget. Repurpose. What are you doing? Repurpose. It's it makes so much sense to me that, actually, today, the show notes that I made is gonna turn into a blog. So I'm already repossing today, and we'll send that out. And so that's gonna be another yeah.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:33:08]:

Yeah. You just have to keep repurposing. It's not just your speech, You know, little snippets of your podcast. You know? Like, you get to you get to just repurpose because, you know, here's just my belief is that People consume information in all different ways. And so to be able to just not expect people to go to your podcast, which by the way, is not is a beautiful form of speaking. Not just go to your podcast, you know, but now you've got, like, the show notes that you're using, You can use this as an email or an Instagram post or over on LinkedIn. Just or even a blog as you said. It's that's fantastic.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:33:45]:

That makes me so happy.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:33:47]:

And the other thing I wanna share, if I may, with working with you, my podcast style not my style, But how I podcast my intent with podcasting has changed. I mean, it was to draw business and to share with the world and to offer a free tiered service. That was always my intent. Mhmm. Only thing I was missing was Marketing, like, real marketing. You know, the idea that it the content of the podcast does not have to like, for example, what I'm doing with season 3. It's all thanks to you because I would have never dreamed of pulling the curtain back or any just Working with clients in general and talking about it because it felt before working with you, it felt too selfish. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:34:39]:

It felt too selfish because as an artist and as a physician, there's almost like, 2 people that may not get along. And this was a way to have them work both together. That the artist and me and the position and me could both have a podcast that's artful, but also a good marketing tool and also a gift for the people to listen to. So it's not necessarily if if no one hires me from listening to that, I that's okay. I'm drawing the people that want to work with me. It's not about sale. It's about let me just show you what I'm doing. Yes.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:35:20]:

You were able to help me with Before it was I would just say, you know, if you wanna leave a review, that'd be really nice. You know, it was it it's not even It's so far from that now. Now I've got a newsletter. I've got you know, I I'm really, really telling people more than once And emailing them and telling them, leave a review. This helps me. I produce and edit and do all of it. I don't have anybody doing any of this right now. And I have no shame in that.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:35:47]:

And I think there shouldn't have been shame in there in the 1st place. So you've taught me that.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:35:52]:

Mhmm. You've loved doing it. I know. Part of it. It just taps into your creativity. And when you you know? And when anybody listens to your podcast, I mean, they're just like, keep in mind, She did all the editing. I mean, it is so beautifully done.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:36:09]:

Thank you.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:36:10]:

And I'm also going to Share down below in the show notes, a link so you can e even see the testimon the beautiful testimonial video that she created for me that when I saw it, which you showed, in the beginning of 1 of our sessions together, I was blushing. But, again, it would So you. It's just

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:36:33]:

To the listeners, she had no idea. She had no idea. I was I she thought I was making a video that That was just about, like, I don't know, something promoting my own, you know, speech that I made in the past. And I said, I just have this little video I wanna show you and Yeah. Kinda see. And you've been pushing me to you know, just really like, hey. Will you just tell me, you know, how am I doing or what you know, Share, like, testimonial. She thought I was gonna give her, like, a little

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:37:03]:

Written blurb.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:37:04]:

Yeah. Written blurb or even just 5 minutes of talking. Yeah. Oh, no.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:37:10]:

It's a production. This was a production. Yes. So I'll definitely make sure that people see that also because it's a beautiful piece of art.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:37:19]:

Thank you. Literally art. And it's sincere.

Laurie-Ann Murabito [00:37:21]:

Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thank you so much for coming on and sharing with my audience, you know, the experience of working together. It has been just such a pleasure to work with you and to see the the beautiful work that you're doing with patients now. And you're gonna be speaking and entertaining audiences for years to come. And just one more time, if you would just share with my listeners, where they can find you.

Dr. Barbara del la Torre [00:37:50]:

You can find all of my work on my website at thirdopinionmd.org, Instagram, Third Opinion MD, And the podcast is Third Opinion MD podcast.